More Greek, More Sci-Fi – Ep.353 – 2025 Book Reviews – Part 2

A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi The final half of the list of 2025 book reviews has more Greek, more sci-fi, and more indiepub goodness. Romance in space and space opera, talking pigs and talking frogs, first contact with aliens and first contact with demons, and good church history hymns and bad biblical archeology. TIMELINE: […]
A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi – Ep.352 – 2025 Book Reviews – Part 1

A Little Greek, A Little Sci-Fi 2025 kicked off my goal of reading the great books of Western Civilization. So in typical fashion I read a little Greek, a little sci-fi, and a smattering of everything else. Indiepub still factored into the list with some hits and misses, just like the tradpubs. As always, the […]
Andreas Köstenberger Interview – Interview Redux

Andreas Köstenberger Interview Redux Here are two of our interviews with the great Andreas Köstenberger. The first part was discussing his book in response to Bart Ehrman that we did on the show. The second being a join interview with Andreas Köstenberger and his co-author Gregory Goswell on their amazing Biblical Theology book. I have […]
Church History Matters Redux – Interview With Troy Frasier From Revived Thoughts

Church History Matters Redux I absolutely love the people God has brought together in the scope of doing this podcast. One very good friend is Troy Frasier who helps run the Revived Thoughts podcast which takes sermons of the past and gets people to record them so they can be heard now in the present. […]
Don’t Be Bored, Be Active – Ep.336 – Titus 3:12-15 Sermon

Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons On vacation this week, so this is my (Patrick’s) message on the final portion of Titus, Titus 3:12-15. With epistle beginnings and endings, sometimes we glance over them and view them as superfluous or boring. But those are just as authoritative and important as any portion of God’s Word to […]
Education Is Classical Education – Ep.334 – Martin Cothran Interview

Education Is Classical Education We welcome Martin Cothran from Memoria Press today. Mr. Cothran is a proponent of one of the best educational models that has built the Western world. Education is classical education or it is not education. We discuss what is classical education, why it works, how it teaches both the mind and […]
Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons – Ep.328 – Titus 1:10-12 Sermon – Cave To The Cross Apologetics

Lairs, Evils Beasts, Lazy Gluttons We are taking a break for the 4th of July weekend but you can listen to the message I taught on Titus 1:10-12 to my (Patrick’s) church’s college group. Here I discuss the types of false teachers Titus will encounter on the island of Crete and why the Greeks on […]
2024 In Review Sci-Fi, IndiePub, & Theology Etc. – Ep.307 – 2024 Book Reviews – Part 2

2024 In Review Sci-Fi, IndiePub, & Theology Etc The final 21 books of 2024 in review. It’s not about how many you read but that you’re reading good books…but also I read to my goal and past it *neener neener neener*! Also, my apologies to anyone whose name I mispronounced. I’m a reader, not a […]
2024 Sci-Fi, IndiePub, & Theology Etc. In Review – Ep.306 – 2024 Book Reviews – Part 1

2024 Sci-Fi, IndiePub, & Theology Etc. In Review We need just a couple more weeks to conclude our Christian ethics book so here are Patrick’s book reviews from 2024. Biography and Indiepub heavy, it was overall a good reading year with just a few bad choices. Have you read any of these or pick any […]
Spooky Stories Of Church History – Ep.289 – Troy Fraiser From Revived Thoughts – Part 2

Spooky Stories Of Church History Troy Fraiser from Revived Thoughts regales us with tales of things that go bump in the night of Church history. History is weird! Coincidences and unexplainable at times and not everything can be dismissed with a wave of a hand as you whistle past the graveyard. Spooky stories of Church […]
Coincidences In Church History – Ep.288 – Troy Fraiser From Revived Thoughts – Part 1

Coincidences In Church History Patrick welcomes back Troy Fraiser from Revived Thoughts! History is weird and there are things that happen that Hollywood writers would be accused of bad storytelling for what actually happens. Troy brings us weird coincidences of Church history that includes a Chinese war, a woman with pants, Vikings, a meteorite, and […]
Satisfying Father Hunger In Education – Ep.287 – Education Policy Expert Jeff Park Interview – Part 2

Satisfying Father Hunger In Education Now that we’ve identified the problem of fathers not being more involved in education and wagging our fingers enough, education policy expert Jeff Park and Patrick talk about small but meaningful steps fathers can take to take God’s command to be leaders of their families when it comes to what […]
The Dangers Of Father Absence In Education – Ep.286 – Education Policy Expert Jeff Park Interview – Part 1

The Dangers Of Father Absence In Education In whatever way you choose to educate your children, if you look around you may notice someone is missing – fathers! Education policy expert Jeff Park discusses the dangers of father absence in their own children’s education. It’s not enough to bring home the bacon, fathers have a […]
Sci-Fi, Theology, & Indies 2023 – Ep.256 – Book Reviews 2023 – Part 2

Sci-Fi, Theology, & Indies 2023 Returning for the final set of book reviews 2023 continues the sci-fi, theology, & indies books that I liked, didn’t like, and the really bad ones to stay away from. And I wanted to tell you about them. TIMELINE: 00:00 – Introduction 00:15 – 8 Great Smarts & How Am […]
Theology, Sci-Fi, & Indies 2023 – Ep.255 – Book Reviews 2023 – Part 1

Theology, Sci-Fi, & Indies 2023 Here are the book reviews 2023 that I (Patrick) read and reviewed. Running the whole genre gauntlet for theology, sci-fi, & indies; 2023 was a good reading year. Here are my thoughts. Completely understandable if you skip this episode and the next one. Why 19 books in this episode? Because […]
Cave To The Cross Apologetics – Scott Christensen Interview Redux

Scott Christensen Interview Redux In this redux episode, we talked with Scott Christensen and interviewed him about the book we spent almost a year on, What About Evil? This book does an excellent job of laying out the issue, giving the definitions, the different answers, the issues with other theories, and the answer Christensen has […]
Cave To The Cross Apologetics – Lydia McGrew Interview Redux

Lydia McGrew Interview Redux In this redux episode, we talked with Lydia McGrew (@LydiaMcGrewChannel) and interviewed her about two of her books. One dealt with proof of the Gospel accounts using undesigned coincidences and the other about how Gospels are actually historical accounts and not literary devices that many in “the academy” are going towards. […]
Interview On Anatomy Of The Church And State Podcast

Patrick and Tony were invited onto Jeremiah Campana’s podcast Anatomy Of The Church And State. We discussed many different aspects of apologetics and the role it has in the believer’s lives. This was a great way to talk about the summation of many of the books we’ve discussed on our show. It was also a […]
Sanctifying The Church & The Family – Ep.238 – Interview With A Pastor – Pastor Josh – Part 2

Sanctifying The Church & The Family Pastor Josh from The Anarchist Bible Study podcast shines some bright lights in places in the Church where we might be missing – or not wanting to look. How can we be actively sanctifying the Church and the family? As a youth pastor as well, Josh gives his State […]
The State Of The Church Address 2023 – Ep.237 – Interview With A Pastor – Pastor Josh – Part 1

The State Of The Church Address 2023 Pastor Josh aka Iowancap from The Anarchist Bible Study joins the program to give his State Of The Church Address 2023. In it, we build on the back of Ligonier’s 2022 State of Theology. Josh talks about why definitions in the church matter and what it means when […]
Biblical Theology – A Canonical, Thematic, and Ethical Approach – Ep.221 – Andreas Köstenberger & Gregory Goswell Interview

Biblical Theology – A Canonical, Thematic, and Ethical Approach We are privileged to welcome back Dr. Andreas Köstenberger and welcome Dr. Gregory Goswell as we discuss their newest book from Crossway Publishing, Biblical Theology – A Canonical, Thematic, and Ethical Approach. We talk with the good doctors about what went into the book and how […]
The Historic Reliability Of The Resurrection – Ep.220 – Scripture Teaching

The Historic Reliability Of The Resurrection We have a special episode coming up and yesterday was Easter so it makes sense to get this episode out now. Thanks for checking out these episodes that hopefully you see the next step we encourage after reading and learning from the books we’ve collected – using them to […]
The Church’s Purpose In Relationship To Each Other – Ep.219 – Scripture Teaching

The Church’s Purpose In Relationship To Each Other This is part two of the mini-series I was privileged enough to teach to my (Patrick’s) church’s high school group. We go from the Church’s relationship to God and move into the Church’s relationship to each other. Topics covered are communion, sharing meals, and fellowshipping with one […]
The Church’s Purpose In Relationship To God – Ep.218 – Scripture Teaching

The Church’s Purpose In Relationship To God Taking a pause from our John Frame book, the next two weeks will be parts one and two of a message I (Patrick) gave to my church’s high school group. This week I cover the Church’s relationship to God. Covering what is church then what is The Church […]
Cave To The Cross Apologetics – Redux – Bob Murphy Interview

Bob Murphy Interview Redux The final two weeks of the year will be a year-end roundup of the book Patrick has read and starting the first Monday of the year we’ll be starting John Frame’s Book “Apologetics – A Justification Of Christian Belief”. Today we revisit episodes 47 & 48 with Dr. Bob Murphy @BobMurphyAncap . […]
Cave To The Cross Apologetics – Redux – J. Warner Wallace Interview

J. Warner Wallace Interview Redux We needed to reschedule some things for our next book so we’re almost thinking of starting Frame’s book at the first of the year. Next couple of weeks, I’m thinking of doing a year-end review of all the books I read this year and see if there’s any interest in […]
Apologetics Effects Affect – Ep. 193 – Talk Given To The Michigan Apologetics Network

Apologetics Effects Affect Starting next week, Tony and I should be reunited in digital form to continue going through our Greg Bahnsen’s Against All Opposition. I was kindly invited by some new friends at the Michigan Apologetics Network to give a talk on anything that I wished. I talked about how apologetics isn’t an end […]
Fund Students Not Systems – Ep.192 – Jeff Park From The Anarchist Bible Study – Part 2

Fund Students Not Systems Homeschool, private, public, or any other school parent in between should check out and support those groups with the mantra of “Fund Students Not Systems”. Policy expert, Jeff Park (Alberta Parents’ Union & Co-Host of The Anarchist Bible Study) joins me in the second half of the interview. In this section, […]
The Christian Responsibility To Educate Children – Ep.191 – Jeff Park From The Anarchist Bible Study – Part 1

The Christian Responsibility To Educate Children Is it the Christian responsibility to educate children or is it fine leaving that to the so-called experts? While the answer may seem simple enough, we invited an expert on public policy in education and Christian podcaster Jeff Park. He talks about the Christian’s responsibility in educating one’s children […]
Looking Through Church History – Ep.190 – Troy Fraiser From Revived Thoughts Interview – Part 2

Looking Through Church History When we look through Church History we see men, women, build-ups, big events, small events, death, sorrow, and Gospel worship. When we are looking through Church History we see those people and events give us things we enjoy and take for granted today. Troy Fraiser from Revived Thoughts podcast once again […]
Church History Matters – Ep.189 – Troy Fraiser From Revived Thoughts Interview – Part 1

Church History Matters This week I’m joined by THE Troy Fraiser who is one part of the Revived Studio/Revived Thoughts podcast empire. He joins me to discuss why Church history matters and what we can learn from it. What does this have to do with apologetics? The past 2,000 years of the church have been […]
Why? For God’s Glory! – Ep.181 – Scott Christensen Interview On What About Evil – Part 2

Why? For God’s Glory! Scott Christensen has written an amazing book that is not just a dry, academic look at the question of why evil exists. Why? For God’s Glory! Pastor Christensen joins us to talk about his Greater-Glory Theodicy that places God at the center of the picture of the ultimate story of reality. […]
Free Will Theodicy Failure – Ep.180 – Scott Christensen Interview On What About Evil – Part 1

Free Will Theodicy Failures We have the pleasure of welcoming back to the show our first guest, our first returning guest, and author of the book we recently finished “What About Evil? A Defense of God’s Sovereign Glory” – Pastor Scott Christensen. This was such a great discussion we wanted to break it up into […]
Christianity, Sci-Fi, & Indie Publishing – Ep.169 – Katie Roome From Periapsis Press Interview

Christianity, Sci-Fi, & Indie Publishing We are joined today by Katie Roome who is the founder and writer of Periapsis Press. We sit down and talk about Christianity, sci-fi, & indie publishing. Is there a difference between the genres; and what do they tell us about God’s story and humanity? So we’re talking nerdy today! […]
Hermeneutics & Practical Bible Study – Ep. 151 – Josh & Jeff From The Anarchist Bible Study – Part 2

Hermeneutics & Practical Bible Study Continuing our discussion from last week, Jeff and Josh from The Anarchist Bible Study and Patrick talk about how hermeneutics & practical Bible study and how to use each in the other. Hermeneutics isn’t important just for pastors, theologians, and seminaries. It is important for every Christian reading his/her Bible […]
Hermeneutics & Apologetics – Ep. 150 – Josh & Jeff From The Anarchist Bible Study – Part 1

Hermeneutics & Apologetics Hermeneutics & apologetics go hand-in-hand with each other. Since The Bible is our ultimate standard that it is important that we read it and interpret it the way God meant it to be. And to communicate it to other people accurately is just as important in our apologetics. Patrick is joined by […]
TAG Christianity Is It – Ep. 138 – Dr. James Anderson Interview

TAG! Christianity Is It! We have the absolute pleasure of welcoming Dr. James Anderson to the show. We recently went through his book “Why Should I Believe Christianity” which was a presuppositional take on taking seriously the claims of the worldview of Christianity. We also said it was a good give-away book in that it […]
Prayer Help – Ep. 136 – Interview With A Pastor – Pastor Jim Li

Prayer Help This week we welcome Pastor Jim Li onto the show for some prayer help. Pastor Li pastors in California but is very active in teaching in the Asian churches. As a result, his identity will be hidden today. And with Tony on vacation, you’re stuck looking at Patrick. Good thing we make an […]
Old Testament Christianity – Ep. 131 – Interview With A Pastor – Dr. Tiberius Rata

Old Testament Christianity Is Old Testament Christianity an oxymoron or do we Christians still have a lot to learn from the Tanakh? Dr. Tiberius Rata is Associate Dean of the School of Ministry Studies and Professor of Old Testament Studies at Grace Theological Seminary. He is the author of several Old Testament commentaries as well. […]
Youth And Apologetics – Ep. 128 – Interview With A Pastor – Justin McCoy

Youth And Apologetics Are today’s youth and apologetics connecting each other to answers and growth in their Christian faith? We welcome Youth Pastor Justin McCoy from Calvary Bible Church in Kalamazoo, MI. Pastor McCoy works with kids and students from birth through college. He gives his take on the role of seminary today and the […]
Andreas Köstenberger Interview – Ep. 124 – Andreas Köstenberger Interview

He’s Written On Everything! We are beyond delighted and honored to sit down and interview Andreas Köstenberger. Dr. Köstenberger was a co-author in one of our recent chosen books, “Truth In A Culture Of Doubt” which was a response to many of Bart Ehrman’s writings and showing that Christianity provides answers to the critical historians’ […]
Ep. 106 – Battlefield Of The Mind by Joyce Meyers One Shot

Ever since the inception of Christianity, Jesus & the Apostles warned against false teachers and the need to identify them. It is important to see what that looks and compare what’s said to what God says. So Lauren from Tulips & Honey Podcast and Patrick from Cave To The Cross Apologetics slog through the entirety of Joyce Meyer’s book “Battlefield Of The Mind”. This…this was something.
Ep. 97 – Greg Koukl Interview

We have the great pleasure of welcoming Greg Koukl onto the show. We recently finished up walking through his book “Tactics” (https://tinyurl.com/yxjxf5s5) and he was gracious enough to come onto the show and talk about it with us.
Ep. 91 – Shea Houdmann Of GotQuestions.org Interview

We are pleased to be joined by the creator and CEO of GotQuestions.org – Shea Houdmann! We talk about Shea’s journey to create one of the best depositories of answers to Christian answers on the whole internet. We talk about what the work is like and how it’s done. We also talk about the questions they get the most and the weirdest ones.
Ep. 78 – Lydia McGrew Interview – Part 2

We welcome Dr. Lydis McGrew to the show to talk about her two books, “Hidden in Plain View” and “The Mirror and the Mask”. For this part, we cover Dr. McGrew’s book about whether or not the Gospels are Literary Device or Historical Narrative. Literary devices are the theory that the Gospels are used by the authors to convey a message over being historically accurate. There’s a lot to be said about this subject and a lot of controversy so we should approach this with balance and reading both sides in the best light possible.
Ep. 77 – Lydia McGrew Interview – Part 1

We welcome Dr. Lydis McGrew to the show to talk about her two books, “Hidden in Plain View” and “The Mirror and the Mask”. For part one we cover Dr. McGrew’s first book about undesigned coincidences in the New Testament. Dr. McGrew and her husband, Dr. Tim McGrew are fellow Kalamazooians and we talk about her start into apologetic philosophy. She then explains how undesigned coincidences lend to the credibility of The Bible including the establishment of miracles. This really is a fascinating subject and we hope to do more videos on this subject.
Ep. 70 – What Does Romans 13 Mean? (Tulips & Honey)

Strap in; we’re talking about religion and politics today! Our friend, Lauren, from the Tulips & Honey Podcast interviews Patrick on how Christians should respond to government in light of Scripture. The launchpad for this is Romans 13. From there, they discuss what does Romans 13 actually mean; what should the Christian’s response to the State and its overreach be; how should a Christian view the use of force against people and against government; and can one be a Christian and an anarchist?
Ep. 69 – Nancy Pearcey Interview

How exciting is this?! We welcome Professor Nancy Pearcey herself to the show! We talk to her about her coming to faith in Christ and her experience at L’Abri with Francis Schaeffer. Then we talk about her book we’ve been going over “Finding Truth” and talk about the book in general and in specific.
Ep. 65 – Interview With A Pastor – Bret Laird

Tony and Patrick had the distinct pleasure of interviewing their pastor at Calvary Bible Church in Kalamazoo, MI; Pastor Bret Laird. Pastor Bret discusses why he decided to be a pastor as well as his time serving in Ukraine as a missionary pastor. Finally, we also talk about the state of the American church and the role of apologetics. Plus, a few book recommendations!
Ep. 62 – To Judge Or Not To Judge (Tulips & Honey)

Patrick had the pleasure of being a guest on the Tulips And Honey Podcast with Lauren and Becca. The trio discuss the appropriate way and place to respond to false teachers and heresies. They present the biblical definition of these theological words as well as the Scriptural basis where we see the writers of the New Testament encourage confronting false teachers and encouraging those newer to the faith to turn away from bad doctrine like the Word of Faith movement.
Ep. 52 – J. Warner Wallace Interview – Part 2

In this episode, we take a deeper look into Detective Wallace’s process of establishing the Gospels as credible eye witness testimony. He then responds to how he deals with evaluating the possibility of supernatural causes in everyday life. We, of course, have to talk about how he responds to presuppositionalists and also the great case for morality Christians have. We finish up with a charge and challenge from Detective Wallace on always being ready to give a defense for the hope we have.
Ep. 51 – J. Warner Wallace Interview – Part 1

In this first part of the interview, we discuss what Detective Wallace’s background is and what led him to start questioning the claims of Christianity. He talks about using his approach for looking at the veracity and claims of the biblical Gospels and how the Gospels differ from the Book Of Mormon. Finally, we discuss some responses from critics of the Gospels.
Ep. 48 – Bob Murphy Interview – Economist & Christian – Part 2

In this second part of the interview, Dr. Murphy talks about where economic truth derives from. If the Fall never occurred would economic principles still stand? Then we talk about some of the weird stances people can have when applying economic principles to other parts of their lives.
Dr. Murphy and Patrick have a discussion on the similarities Austrian Economics has with Presuppositional Apologetics. Dr. Murphy gives some advice to Christians from an economic standpoint & encourages other Christians to learn economics as part of God’s ordered universe.
Ep. 47 – Bob Murphy Interview – Economist & Christian – Part 1

In this first part of the interview, Dr. Murphy talks about what economics is and why Christians should care. We also discuss the fact that the Christian worldview accounts for economic theories. We also talk about the application of Austrian Economic theory, a theory based on presuppositional claims, when it comes to showing that slavery is not only immoral but a terrible economic decision.
Ep. 44 – Tulips & Honey Podcast Interview

We talk about our salvation story, how we met, what our show is about, and how we picked the name “Cave To The Cross Apologetics”. We also cover topics like why Christians should be readers, Christians need to learn from their history, Christian living, and what books we recommend and don’t. We also engage in some tomfoolery that is completely to blame on Lauren & Becca.
Ep. 35 – Jason Lisle Interview – Keeping Faith In An Age Of Reason

Dr. Lisle talks about his background, his approach, and why presuppositionalism is the way to do apologetics; and the way Greg Bahnsen did it. It was a real pleasure to talk with Dr. Lisle and we thank him for his time and his work.
Ep. 34 – Mitch Stokes Interview – How To Be An Atheist – Part 2

We continue with our interview with Dr. Mitch Stokes who authored the book we are currently going through on the show. This part deals with the moral objections section. There are spoilers to what we will be covering if you care about that with a theology book.
Ep. 33 – Mitch Stokes Interview – How To Be An Atheist – Part 1

We are very pleased to welcome Dr. Mitch Stokes who authored the book we are currently going through to the show. The first part of the interview is getting the very interesting history of Dr. Stoke’s professional journey. We then discuss the first part of the book, How To Be An Atheist. We hope you enjoy this as much as we did. Thank you, Dr. Mitch Stokes!
Ep. 17 – Scott Christensen Interview – What About Free Will?

We are excited to welcome author and pastor Scott Christensen to the show as our first interview.
Scott has written a great book on the subject of human free will called “What About Free Will? Reconciling Our Choices With God’s Sovereignty”

